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Put Yourself First

Updated: May 12, 2023

Put Yourself First

In this episode of the Impostor Syndrome Files, we talk about our universal struggle with inadequacy and self-doubt and how to find peace with who we are. My guest, Karyn Seitz, the Happiness Mentor, shares her personal journey of turning to spiritual healing to try to address her impostor syndrome, only to find that true healing comes from within. She emphasizes the importance of putting ourselves first to find true happiness. And she shares a simple, yet powerful strategy for how to do so that can change our relationship with ourselves and ensure that others get the best of us.

About My Guest:

As a former spiritual healer, Karyn realized her clients were not getting better. She was frustrated that she could not deliver the results her clients wanted even though she was trying lots of different healing modalities and coaching techniques.

Karyn knew she also wasn’t getting the changes she wanted in her life. She secretly lacked any confidence in her ability to change. Her adult life had stalled.

In a fresh new search for answers, Karyn found the missing piece that would ultimately transform her life and her clients. There is something very profound in owning that she is the problem in her life. This awareness pushed her to confront herself and get serious about herself and her life.

Karyn is now fulfilled in her life and teaches others the same journey she has taken to find herself and be happy.

Karyn calls herself The Happiness Mentor and teaches an online happiness course for women called Awakened Grace.


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Kim Meninger Welcome, Karyn. It’s such a pleasure to meet you. And I’m so excited to talk to you today. I’d love to start by inviting you to introduce yourself. Yeah,

Karyn Seitz Well, thanks for having me, Kim. I’m Karyn Seitz, the happiness mentor, and I help professional women who really struggle to feel like they’ve checked all the boxes in life, yet still feel unfulfilled, and like something is missing in who they are, or something is missing in the life that they’ve created. I help them to really connect with themselves to recognize there’s nothing missing. There’s nothing missing in them, except for a connection to who they are, that that’s why we feel unfulfilled and why we feel empty in our lives, even when we’ve got a great life on paper. And we still don’t feel like we measure up, we still don’t feel enough. And that comes from my own personal journey of having the exact same experience and hitting a point in my early 30s, where I was still struggling with crippling insecurity on the inside, not feeling enough, even though my facade and what I projected out into the world, made it look like I had it all together, made it look like I was confident in myself. But really, I felt like a little girl trapped inside of a woman’s body. And so my journey of learning to find my value and sense of self-worth in me, and stop giving that away to others and to who I thought I was supposed to be in my external world, and really learning how to be true to myself, and feel good about who I am on the inside, which was how I was able to overcome that sense of feeling not enough and crippling insecurity and feeling like a little girl trapped in a woman’s body. And I call that journey, really the journey of being happy.

Kim Meninger I think there are going to be so many people listening who can identify with what you just said, it feels like an all too common, unfortunately, experience. And I wonder because you have had an interesting journey of your own in addressing it, I wonder if you’d be comfortable sharing the spiritual healing piece of your background and how you thought that might be a way of addressing it and realized, the realizations that you came to?

Karyn Seitz Yeah, of course. So my experience with impostor syndrome, since that’s really the root of everything we’re talking about today. The best example I have of that in my life is my own spiritual journey before I discovered a true path and journey to being happy and feeling good about myself. So when I was 25, I was coming out of just a challenging part of my life. In my early, late teens, early 20s have really been stuck in self-destructive patterns, and not having any kind of what I would call like adult feet underneath me. And so when I was 25, I started going to therapy. That didn’t get me to where I wanted it to be. So I started seeking spiritually. And I looked for my answers, looked for some sort of meaning and purpose to myself and to my life in yoga, meditation, shamanic healing, energy work, astrologers, psychics, self-help books, the gamut, all the things woo-woo I did, trying to find some sense of myself, trying to find confidence in me. And none of it worked. All it did was helped me create this outer facade that I felt good about myself, that I had it all together that I knew who I was. But again, like, I shared earlier on the inside, I was still incredibly insecure. And I knew deep down somewhere in me, what I was doing wasn’t working, to make me feel good about myself, to give me a sense of who I was, to have a sense of where I was taking my life. In fact, it was actually taking me away from myself. Because in my spiritual journey, I was trying to become somebody more than me, which is exactly what created a sense of impostor syndrome. Because, in my view, and how I define impostor syndrome is that it’s a deep inadequacy in us that leads to us wanting to become or trying to become someone other than who we are. Which is us not being true to ourselves. And that was my spiritual journey. I didn’t want to be Karyn, I wanted to be some higher evolved, spiritually evolved person to where I didn’t have to be me. Because deep down, I didn’t like who I was, I didn’t feel good about myself on the inside. And my spiritual journey just was a way to try to get away from me, to try to become again somebody more than me. And I ended up not being true to myself at all. And that, that was my spiritual journey. And I had to learn a whole new way and a whole new path. Because that was just me continuing to create impostor syndrome in myself, and then trying to manage it, when really what we want to do is overcome it, and find a way to resolve it, which has been my journey. And that’s what I want everyone to know there’s, there’s a way to overcome it, there’s a way to actually resolve it. So you’re not having to live in it or having to manage it.

Kim Meninger I have a question. But I haven’t thought through how I want to ask it. So bear with me, I’m going to think out loud. Yeah, you’re… what I find really interesting about what you’re saying is that you seem to be very self-aware. And I wonder, as you talked about, trying to find yourself or trying to heal through these various spiritual channels, and finding that it wasn’t working. How did you have the awareness to know it’s what I’m doing that’s not working, rather than feeding the insecurity and the self-doubt and the, and the sort of messaging that I’m not good enough? Because I think sometimes the reaction might have been, well, this is supposed to be the cure, so to speak, for what ails us, for lack of a better expression. And if it’s not working for me, then maybe there’s something wrong with me. Whereas you were able to see, no, you know what, I’m not going about it in the right way. So as much time that you spent going down that path, you eventually reached a point where you were able to pivot and say, this isn’t the right path for me.

Karyn Seitz Well, for me, it was very much an intervention, so to speak, or I was fortunate enough to meet my mentors, who were the first people to really help me know and understand and find a path to know that my answers were inside of me. And they weren’t in all the paths, in the books and the healers and in the things that I was doing to try to feel good about myself. So that was, that was a, an awakening and myself to begin to know and understand and have a path to my answers and myself so that I was no longer seeking outside of me. Another crucial part, that’s really important for us to understand, and to be able to overcome impostor syndrome, to feel that we are enough to feel good about ourselves on the inside, is that they also helped me to see that I was the problem. That it wasn’t society. It wasn’t men. It wasn’t my upbringing. It wasn’t my parents, it wasn’t even the spiritual path that I was on. I was the problem, that my insecurity, my not feeling good enough on the inside, me constantly trying to be somebody other than me to get others approval acceptance for others to like me, was all self-created. And that was very different than anything else that I was learning about in my other path. Everything on those paths pointed to something or somebody outside of me that was causing me to feel like an impostor, that was causing me to feel inadequate or not enough. And there was no wiggle room, in this path, which I call the journey of being happy, to look anywhere else than myself. And that was critical to begin to develop the self-awareness to look at me to know what is it that I’m doing, what are the choices I’m making. Who am I being in my life that makes me feel so bad about myself? And that’s when I begin to know Oh, it’s not the things. It’s not me that these things aren’t working. These things don’t work because they’re not leading me to the right place. They are addressing all the symptoms for me to try to help manage these things. But there is no resolution. So I had to make a choice. Either these things don’t work for me to develop a sense of self and develop my sense of self-worth and value inside of me, or there’s something wrong with me that these things aren’t working. And as I was introduced to a new way, it was incredibly clear to me that there was a different way and that those things didn’t work for what I was trying to use them for.

Kim Meninger I think that’s so important and potentially scary to people who are listening. I have been on a similar journey of my own of always seeking external validation or feeling like, there was something missing, as you’re describing, and certainly in earlier parts of my life, and when you come to realize that it’s not about everything else, it’s about you, that can be painful, it can be really uncomfortable, but I also find it to be somewhat liberating and empowering because that you can work with. You can’t change the world around you. You can’t change all the different forces that you’re blaming that might be contributing, right, to, to your story. But the end of the day, where you have the greatest influence is in yourself. And so it’s actually a, it’s actually a very important part of the process to get to that point.

Karyn Seitz It’s incredibly liberating. And I would want to think the same thing of, oh, this is, you know, how, what a bitter pill to swallow and how painful to see that it’s me. But what I’ve come to learn, and what I knew in myself and then working with other women, is knowing when I knew deep down, I was the problem, and I was craving for somebody to tell me it was me. So it was very relieving and very refreshing to know that I was the problem, to know it’s me, creating my experience of impostor syndrome and my insecurities and feeling like a fraud in my life because I can do something about that. And I had to make a choice even to go further than just these than to think these things contribute. I had to take it further to completely eradicate that there was any possibility that something or somebody else was contributing to my experience, in order for me to overcome and resolve how I was feeling about myself, because if I left any wiggle room that something or somebody else was contributing to my experience, then that would have prevented me from overcoming it. Because I’m still giving, even if it’s just a sliver, I’m still giving a sense of my power away to something or someone else that you’re, you’re spot on, we have no control over, I have no control over anyone or anything else. I only have control over me so that it has to be so black and white. If we want to overcome our feelings of inadequacy, overcome our feelings of feeling like a fraud, or that, who am I to do this and really take a look at ourselves to know what is it about me creating this and really begin to work on ourselves in that way.

Kim Meninger Before I ask you about how you did that, I want to ask you a question for anybody who’s listening and maybe thinking, Oh, this is, sounds like me…

Karyn Seitz Are there, are there signs? Or are there sort of things that people can be looking for that might indicate that’s what’s happening with them right now? Like would you say there are certain behaviors or certain patterns that would suggest that they’re in a similar situation and may benefit from looking inward as opposed to continuing to outwardly… that to make it really simple and really universal? As a way to liberate yourself and have a path forward to overcome how you are feeling — if you suffer from impostor syndrome. That is exactly how you can know what I am talking about applies to you. That if you, if, if that wasn’t the case, you wouldn’t be listening to Kim’s show. And you wouldn’t be suffering with impostor syndrome, so if you suffer with self-doubt, low self-esteem, feeling inadequate, those are all symptoms of impostor syndrome. And if you’re struggling with that, it means they’re in a good way, in an empowering way, you are the problem, and you are the solution. And there is no greater gift you could give yourself. It doesn’t make you bad or wrong. It makes you human. Because everybody suffers from imposter syndrome. It’s not a youth thing. It’s not a woman thing. We all suffer from impostor syndrome as humans, because of our own inner workings. And what we do that causes us to be locked into that self-doubt, and locked into feeling bad about who we are and not feeling enough. So if that’s you, this applies.

Kim Meninger I love the way you’ve made it. Well, I think that’s a really great way to say it. And so you get to this point where you realize it’s me, I have to do this work on myself. Where do you go from there? Because that’s daunting.

Karyn Seitz Yeah, well, it can feel that way. Absolutely. And, and I want to assure everybody listening, it’s not daunting at all, that’s what our mind makes it out to be. Because it’s easier, quote-unquote, to put the focus outside of ourselves to all the things we need to do out here, or who we need to change out here, or what we need to change outside of us. To overcome this, that’s daunting because as we were talking about earlier, I don’t have any control over anybody, but myself. So it’s just a game we play with ourselves, we think if I just have to look at me, oh, my God, that’s so overwhelming. No, it makes it so simple. And it actually gives you a path forward. So where we have to go from it is, is first understanding there’s a singular place if we want it to be simple. If we want to overcome and resolve impostor syndrome, then we have to put some black and white bumpers up to be able to look at ourselves as the problem and understand that impostor syndrome comes from one singular place, and this is what I had to do for myself. And this is how I help all the women I work with, the one singular place that it comes from, is being disconnected from ourselves. We’ve never learned to be true to ourselves. And we’ve never learned to be connected to ourselves. And it’s because of our own human experience of what I call external value, it’s just how we’re wired. It’s just our humaneness. And we look to the people and things outside of us to give us our sense of meaning and purpose and value in who we are. We look to it from our family, from our parents, from the degree that we got, from getting married, having kids, the type of house we get, the type of job we have, accomplishments or achievements. We’re looking to the things and people outside of us to fill us up, to give us our sense of value and our sense of meaning and purpose. And it’s from that place that we have no connection to ourselves. Because we’re connected to everything and everybody else. And in that, we never learned to be true to ourselves because we’re being who we think we need to be, to continue to get that meaning, purpose and sense of value from outside of us. So first, we just have to understand that’s where it’s coming from. Welcome to the club, you’re not alone. It’s our human experience. So the solution is what I call the journey of happiness, which is the journey of learning to connect with yourself. By learning to build internal value, how to find your meaning and purpose, and your sense of value and your sense of worth in you. And it doesn’t mean you have to give up all the wonderful relationships and roles and things you love in your life. Because that’s the next place our mind goes to you. Oh my god, that’s so scary. I don’t want to give up getting married. I don’t want to give up my kids. My job, you don’t have to. And you don’t have to travel to India, or go meditate in an ashram or take a pilgrimage somewhere. It’s learning to connect with yourself in the very life that you have to build a relationship with yourself. And to do the things in your life that I tell talk about something very specific, that makes you feel good about who you are. And in that you’re getting your sense of value in yourself. You’re healing your relationship with yourself, to feel good about who you are, and learning to be true to yourself. And when we do that, and we take that journey We build self-confidence, we build our self-esteem, we finally realize I am enough just as who I am. Because we’re accepting ourselves and accepting the life we have that we’ve created through our choices. And it’s from that place that then impostor syndrome. And having that doubt, can’t exist, it doesn’t mean we’re not human. And we don’t have moments of having a little self-doubt or having a lack of confidence or being anxious about walking into a new experience. That’s our humaneness. That’s normal, but we’re not in, in a syndrome. And we’re not in a chronic condition of constantly doubting ourselves constantly feeling like we’re not enough constantly feeling like a fraud because our baseline is having a connection to ourselves, and having a relationship with ourselves.

Kim Meninger Is there a, because I’m sure this is much deeper than we can speak to a brief conversation that we’re having today. But is there an action step that you would call out maybe step one, or, you know, in terms of how people listening can put this into practice? What is?

Karyn Seitz Yeah, great question. That’s the next place I want to go with this is, how do we get on to the journey of being happy and building a relationship with ourselves to build internal value and feel good about who we are? We have to learn how to put ourselves first. And I have a specific way that I want to share with all of you listening, how to put yourself first because we hear that thrown around all the time. What does that really even mean? And why does that work to overcome and resolve imposter syndrome? What we want to realize is that impostor syndrome is the exact opposite of putting ourselves first. It comes from putting ourselves last, we’re so concerned with how other people think about us, we’re so concerned with getting our sense of pride and feeling good about who we are from our accomplishments, or achievements from validation, and kudos from others, that there’s no consideration of ourselves, and no ability to make ourselves feel important. Or good looking to others to make us feel important. So putting yourself first isn’t selfish. That’s the first argument that comes up is not selfish. It’s actually a way of slowing down and thinking of yourself, to make yourself important. So you feel good about yourself, and in the steps that everyone can take today, to begin to do that. Is really reconnecting with, and making time for yourself to do the things you love to do. And it’s really simple. And here’s why that works. One, we’ve all disconnected from the things we really enjoy, our lives got busy. We began our careers, we became moms, we got married, we have responsibilities on our plate, and the first person to go is ourselves. And we don’t stop to take time for ourselves to do things we actually really enjoy. Not the things we think we have to do or we should be doing or we’re supposed to be doing because everybody else likes really slowing down and reconnecting. What do I love to do? What do I really enjoy doing to spend time with myself? When we do that, we actually have to slow down and consider ourselves and make ourselves important by making that time for ourselves. It’s not the things we’re doing that’s the bonus. Because there’s something we love to do. So for example, I love washing my car not taking it through the carwash I love going to the manual carwash vacuuming out my car using the Armor All you know doing well the windows are not actually my favorite part the inside that. But during the outside drying it, it takes me about an hour. And I love to do that I love to do it since I was 16 and I got my first car. And so when I carve that time out for myself very intentionally. And I don’t make excuses to not go do it. I don’t wipe myself off my calendar. I don’t say oh, I’ll do it later. I don’t feel like right now. I actually support myself and follow through. That shows me I am important to me. I’m important enough, I matter enough to make the time no matter what I’ve got on my schedule no matter what somebody else needs from me that I matter enough and I’m important enough to carve an hour out go do this just for me. And then I get to do something I love. That’s just the bonus, the magic happens, the confidence, the self-assurance, the feeling good about yourself that rebuilding a relationship with yourself, happens through making that choice and making the time and following through. And when we do that in a consistent way, on a consistent basis, we feel really good about who we are, which is how I define being happy, happy isn’t about feeling happy. It’s not even about joy or pleasure. Happy is I feel good about who I am, which comes from me and my choices and decisions that I make in my life, not what other people told me. It comes from me. So when I make that time for myself, and I show myself I’m important, which is putting ourselves first. That’s where I feel really good about who I am. And from that place, I grow my confidence, I get to know who I am. And I’m being true to myself. And in that place, we eradicate feeling inadequate, and the self-doubt, and the low self-esteem, where it’s just not even there anymore.

Kim Meninger And when you talk about it that way, it makes it sound so simple. I’m, I’m expecting that, that it’s not as simple as it sounds, I, I definitely have certain things that I do for myself because I enjoy them. And I’m going to do it. Well. You know, I am somebody who loves to read for fun. And I do that every single day, I always make sure I have time to myself to read. And I don’t feel guilty about it. But in the beginning, I can imagine there’s some guilt, there’s some shame, there’s some hesitation, there’s a feeling of like, oh, I shouldn’t be doing something else, right? Is it just sticking with it long enough to get through it?

Karyn Seitz Well, I’m so glad you brought this up. You’re right, there gonna be a lot of people out there thinking this sounds too easy. It’s too simple, I can’t do this, I’m really glad you brought that up. Because this is the biggest fight that I get. Well, the biggest fight I got from myself. And it’s the biggest fight that I’ve gotten from my clients. And here’s what I have learned. And I had to learn this by looking at myself. And then when I work with, with my clients and the women I work with, they have the same thing. And nobody likes to hear this. But it’s the, it’s the truth that sets us free. It is that simple. It really truly is this simple. And here’s the problem. We don’t want it to be simple. We want to make it complicated, we want to make it hard. We want to dig our heels in and be stubborn. Because deep down, we don’t want it to be simple. Because then we have to do it. We have an inner fight and an inner struggle with ourselves where we don’t want to feel good about ourselves. And this is I have, I have thought, feeling good about myself, and doing things for me to feel good about myself more than I fight having to see the icky things that I try to hide and suppress about myself that, believe it or not. And that’s been my experience with all my clients. It’s easier for us to go to those places, all the ways we feel bad about ourselves than it is to actually do the things that make us feel good about who we are. Because we’re comfortable. And feeling bad about ourselves. It’s what we know. And underneath that, here’s what I’ve had to see is that I wanted to put myself last, down unconsciously unknowingly. We want to put ourselves last. And here’s why I have something that I wanted to read in case it should come up. And this is something I wrote by looking at myself, and this is why we don’t want it to be simple. We want to make it hard. Because we almost have an impulse to put ourselves last, versus actually taking time to put ourselves first and here’s what I’ve learned why and I wrote this about myself. As a grown-up adult. I know that putting myself last is a way to get attention for what I think has happened to me. For as long as I can remember, I have put myself last. I always think I have a hard life and nobody cares about me. I want people to feel sorry for me that my life is so hard so I act out to get attention. And how I act out is putting myself last. When I put myself last, I feel like a piece of fill-in-the-blank. I feel like I just give myself the scraps, I want to prove that I’m worthless and don’t deserve anything. I feel like I should just give up on myself, that I’m a hopeless case, I just want to play the poor me card, and pull others and to feel sorry for me. That’s why I put myself last. And, and we don’t like to admit those things. But that’s what’s going on underneath the surface that we haven’t been able to shine the light on. So we just have to make the choice. I don’t want to be the martyr, I don’t want to have a hard life anymore. I don’t need people to feel sorry for me and think I have a hard life. I want to start to feel good about myself and give myself that gift and feel empowered and feel that I’m worth it. And get my sense of value and confidence from me. So that then I’m bulletproof and my life, and what I come up against in other people or in my career, or in my work environment. Because my confidence and my sense and value of who I am comes from me and nobody can take that away from me. And if somebody tries, it’s just my opportunity to become stronger and more grounded and solid in myself. So I just have to make a choice, who do I want to be? That’s how simple it is to start to implement making time for yourself and putting yourself first. It is just a choice. Who do I want to be? And how do I want to know myself. And from that place, it becomes really simple, really, really, really simple. And you can begin to see the effects almost immediately. And how you experience yourself in your life in different environments, including at work, completely changes.

Kim Meninger That is so powerful. And as I’m hearing you share that I’m thinking how there is obviously benefit, quote-unquote, to being a victim, right? There are reasons why we show up that way. But to your point, when we do that we give our power away. [Yeah] Yeah, you can’t be a victim and be empowered at the same time.

Karyn Seitz You can’t, it’s impossible is absolutely impossible. And we do get things out of being a victim. And everyone say no, no, no, what’s the last, I don’t want to be my mom’s such a victim. I don’t want to be like my mom or my sisters that I don’t I’m not like my sister. But it’s actually a pervasive human experience. Because of how we do look for our sense of value externally. It’s, it automatically puts us in a victim stance, because everyone and everything else is responsible for how we feel or how we experience ourselves in our life. And then we get things out of it. If I feel sorry for myself, I feel bad about myself, I feel powerless, then I don’t have to get outside my comfort zone in life to really know who I am. And believe in myself, it’s safer for us. In the air quotes, it’s safer for us to feel inadequate, to feel like we are not enough because then that gives us the ability to play small or like I just read to play the martyr. So we don’t have to be exposed and we don’t have to be vulnerable. Because we’re scared of that. It’s the unknown. And we will do anything to fight that experience. But when we know that, and we realize, Oh, I am a victim, meaning I do have victim mentality, I do give my power away. That’s actually empowering because then we have a choice of like, do I want to, okay, how am I feeding this and if you’re willing and you’re open to look, you’ll see it everywhere. And then it’s like, okay, now I have a choice. Not bad on me. I’m human, it’s a human experience. Now I have a choice to actually do things differently and have a totally different experience of myself in my life.

Kim Meninger This is such an incredibly inspiring way to think and I, I’m hopeful that everybody who’s listening is you know, their wheels are turning and it’s starting to click because it, it just is simple. It’s, it’s, it’s worth it. I think it’s in that’s what’s the most important thing to think about is your worth it, right?

Karyn Seitz Yes, yes, yes, you. You are worth it, to fight for yourself, to start to do things in your life to put yourself first and feel good about who you are and make yourself important to you. So you can be happy. That is the path to be happy which again is feeling good about who you are, or you have a deep acceptance of yourself in the life that you have, so you can grow and learn and who you are and grow and learn in the life you have. And you will feel worth it and you’ll know that you are, you are so worth fighting for, and how you feel about yourself. In the not enough in no confidence and the insecurity and the self-doubt, isn’t really who you are. Underneath that there’s this incredible woman for you to get to know and to feel really good about yourself and your life. And it will change the whole trajectory of your life.

Kim Meninger And I think one, perhaps area that feels counterintuitive is that we often think I can, I can prioritize myself or I can prioritize others, as if it’s a choice that we have to make. And we don’t realize that by prioritizing ourselves, we can be of greater service.

Karyn Seitz Absolutely the best, my favorite analogy to use for that, and one that I’ve heard others use, and it’s so powerful, and again, very simple, is if we’re flying and we’re on the airplane, the flight attendant says in case of an emergency, put your oxygen mask on first before you help anyone else with theirs. And that’s the perfect analogy for putting yourself first when you’re putting yourself last. That’s the paragraph that I read that I wrote about why we put ourselves last. From that place, we are an empty cup. And we’re trying to give to everybody else from an empty cup from a place of being bitter, resentful, not feeling good about ourselves, then we feel completely drained and burned out. So by learning to put yourself first with a very simple thing of making time for yourself, to do something that you love, for the purpose of showing yourself that you’re important to you that you matter so you can feel good about yourself. From that place. You have a full cup. And you feel good about yourself and confident and grounded. Wouldn’t you rather give from that place than feeling empty, drained, burdened, overwhelmed and burnt out? It’s just it’s, it’s a simple choice.

Kim Meninger Exactly. People are getting the worst of us, right?

Karyn Seitz Worse, the absolute worst when we put ourselves last, huh, they get other are the best version of who we are when we put ourselves first.

Kim Meninger Wow, this is such an amazing conversation. Karyn, I’m so grateful to you for having this with me. Where can people find you, I’m sure that there’s going to be a lot of interest in learning.

Karyn Seitz Yeah, you can find me at my website, at And learn about my happiness course for women, which is where I teach everything that we’ve been talking about today, how to really learn what gets in the way, internally, from putting yourself first and then the very roadmap to be doing that and discovering the things you love and a roadmap to implement that in your life. So that you can make a very simple lifestyle change from putting yourself last to putting yourself first so you can be happy and feel good about who you are.

Kim Meninger That’s wonderful. And I will link to that in the show notes. Great. Thanks again, Karyn.

Karyn Seitz Thank you so much, Kim.

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