What Do You Really Want? Getting Honest in Mid-Career
- Kim Meninger
- Jul 15
- 26 min read
In this episode of the Impostor Syndrome Files, we talk about navigating mid-career transitions. Have you ever found yourself wondering, “Is this it?” -- that mid-career moment when you feel too far in to start over but too young to retire? If so, you’re not alone. My guest this week is executive coach Robin Camarote. Here we talk about the very real questions that arise for professionals who are reevaluating their careers, goals and identities. We explore what it means to reflect deeply on where you’ve been, what you want and how to move forward, even in the midst of a busy life. Robin shares both personal stories and practical tools to help you reconnect with your values, reclaim your time and build a more fulfilling path forward on your terms.
Key Topics Discussed
The myth of the linear career and what a “jagged” path really means
Internal vs. external pressures when questioning your career direction
How to reframe regret and leverage your past for future clarity
What to do when you don’t know what you want—starting with what you don’t want
Simple, daily practices to check in with yourself
Why clarity and confidence come from action, not overthinking
The risk of inaction—and how to know when it’s time to move
About My Guest
Robin Camarote is a leadership strategist and executive coach who helps organizations and teams take bold action on their biggest opportunities. With deep expertise in leadership alignment, business development, and executive presence, she helps leaders go after high-stakes “moonshot” opportunities—big goals with transformative potential.
Through her Moonshot Workshop, she guides leadership teams to pinpoint the critical actions that actually drive success, gain teamwide buy-in, and create a clear, focused strategy that dramatically increases their win probability.
She also speaks and writes extensively on overcoming imposter syndrome, executive presence, and the role of candid conversations in business success. Her work has helped countless leaders and teams shift from “this feels impossible” to “we’ve got this.”
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Transcript
Kim Meninger
Welcome, Robin. It is so great to have you here today. I'd love to start by inviting you to tell us a little bit about yourself.
Robin Camarote
Well, thank you, Kim. It is so good to, to be here and to be with your audience. So my name is Robin Camarote. I am a, an executive coach for people mid-career and people who are finding themselves in this place of kind of having too much time invested to start over, but they're too young to retire, and they might be asking themselves this question that I was and periodically still do, and that question is, is this it? And sometimes it sounds like, is this it or like, like, I've had these moments like myself, where I just, you know, I feel like I'm working hard, and I, you know, there's parts of my work maybe that I'm enjoying, but there might be parts that are super frustrating. And so along my journey of trying to figure that out for myself, I started doing one-on-one coaching work with other people that find themselves asking that same question.
Kim Meninger
So can you tell us a little bit about your own career journey, like, what were you doing when you were asking yourself that question?
Robin Camarote
Yeah, well, it's funny, because when I very first started working, I imagined, like, a graph on the wall where I would think there would be this line that would kind of like, go straight up, like, from increasing titles and compensation and responsibility. And for me, that's not at all what happened. There are certainly increases along the way, but there are all of these things that, you know, I didn't anticipate, that came in that prompted me or caused me to, like, take a step back and make a choice and pivot, or stop and, and, and change direction. So my career trajectory, I think, looks a little bit more like, you know, a jagged line. And so it was kind of in big consulting for the first about 15 years of my life that I love that work, and then I went out on my own, and I've been independent consulting and coaching for the last 10 years, and so it's kind of along that journey at different parts saying, like, you know, is this the right project work or the right team for me? Is this the right kind of place to focus in my coaching? Is this the right like, kind of community that I want to be building? So there are just kind of different increments that were causing me to ask that question.
Kim Meninger
I wonder if you can speak to this from your own personal experience, or certainly from the work that you're doing. I think it's interesting what you're talking about with that expectation that your career is going to go in a, you know, upward, linear trajectory. I think there are multiple sort of influences that cause us to ask that. Is this it question like number one is, we sort of think there's a right way to do this, and we haven't figured it out yet, right? And if it's not working for us, then we must be doing it wrong. And nobody really tells us how to think about this stuff. I mean, some people have the benefit of greater mentorship, or maybe they're a little bit more proactive, but most of us are just kind of going through life, doing our jobs. Where are, you know, trying to get through our to-do list. We're not taking a lot of time for self-reflection. So I think the other piece to this too is I don't really know what I want. Like, you know, you, you're sort of put in a situation very early in life where you have to pick a major in college and kind of decide where you want to go, and then if that doesn't work out, it's like, now what? And so I wonder how much of this feels like an internal. I just don't have the clarity to figure out what I want to do, and how much of it is more of an external. I feel pressured to live up to the expectations that I've sort of set for myself and that I think society has set, and I don't feel like I'm doing it right.
Robin Camarote
Mm-Hmm, oh my gosh, you just so perfectly nailed what I felt and what I hear other people share with me in conversations every single day. And I think you're exactly right there, there. There's kind of like those two forces, and sometimes it's hard to separate them out. There's that internal force that's saying, you know, I, I have a sense of what I'm capable of, and I'm not sure I'm reaching my full potential yet. Or maybe this isn't I'm not sure the kind of contribution I want to make, even though I really know I want to have some kind of positive impact. So that internal swirl, I think can create just a lot of, like, just, yeah, just uncertainty and frustration, and kind of stay in this swirl around that, like imagining these different scenarios, and can kind of, and that's one of the places I think we can get stuck. But it, but I think equally valid is that other force you're talking about, which is whether intended or not. I think our family situations, our organizations and just kind of the way our culture is set up, is that you should, well, the right thing to do is to be pursuing that next thing. And I don't think, I don't think there's any mal intention there. That's just kind of like how. We've all accepted that that is the path. And, you know, I have a very close friend who, many years ago, pursued her PhD, and she successfully got her doctorate and, and at one point towards the end, I just asked her, like, you know, what she would, you know, what was driving her and what she planned to do with and he says, I don't know, my dad just always wanted a PhD in the family. Oh, wow. And, you know, and it, and she's incredibly successful. She's made a tremendous career out of, you know, out of, out of what she's, what she's done. But it just, you know, there's this moment that kind of made me sad thinking, like, Wow. It's so real that maybe without questioning it, sometimes we're responding to this for those forces. So anyway, a long way of saying, I talked to people that kind of are experiencing one or both of those internal or external forces, and I think then the opportunity for us is to really get in touch with what it is that we want, and answering that question isn't as always, as easy as I think we would want it to be. So, yes, so, but taking a little time to kind of reflect on what that is, and to your point, like accepting that it doesn't have to be one thing, you know, this pressure to like, you know, know what you're going to do with your life is such nonsense. Like, hey, just pick the next thing, and let's go with that. And then we know at the next point, we'll, we'll make another choice.
Kim Meninger
I think that's so important, too. And when I think about what you're saying about your friend who got the doctorate, and you know, maybe wouldn't have had she not had that influence in her life, there are times in which we think, and you said this well too it's like it's too soon to retire, but I've put so much of myself into there's this feeling of, I can't quit now, right? I've got. I put all of this investment into my education. I've been in this field for a long time. It almost feels like I'm gonna fail or disappoint people if I walk away from this, but I think it's really important to recognize that there's no such thing as wasted time, because even a doctorate, which is such a huge commitment, is going to teach you, if nothing else, more about yourself, right, that you can then use to think about what comes next. And I think part of the, the opportunity, as you're talking about, is really reframing our relationship to these kinds of changes so that they don't trigger that sense of, oh, I should have done this differently, or I failed, or I'm making mistakes. I'm doing this wrong.
Robin Camarote
Yeah. Well, and I love this point, because you know that kind of looking back with request, regret, or I should have, or how things could have been different. Um, is not useful. It's, it's just, you know, we can't change the past. Um, and actually, kind of like ruminator, kind of like dwelling on those things, I think just feels it to me, when I find myself in that cycle, it feels heavy, and it feel and, and it's like more difficult than to figure out kind of like, where I'm going from there. So I totally agree. I think how we tell our story matters, and I think that's exactly what you're talking about with this reframe. Is that if you find you know, if any listener out there finds himself in this place of feeling like they have wasted time, or there's something they should have done, like, how can you sit down and really rewrite that story so that you're taking away those things that you that are very real, you're not BS-ing yourself, they're very true, but that are things you either skills or experiences you accumulated on along the way that were really beneficial and are going to set you up or kind of whatever that next thing.
Kim Meninger
Yes, I love that you talk about the importance of how we tell our stories, because we, like you said, we can't change the past, and everything that we do is yet another experience in our broad portfolio of experiences, right? And so I think learning what you don't want is just as important sometimes, if not more important than figuring out what you do want. So if you are at that point where you're starting to question, really evaluating it through both lenses, so that you have a sense of like, what is it that I want more of, but also, what do I want less of? Right?
Robin Camarote
Yeah, no, and you're right on I think sometimes when I'm working with people that are finding like, are really struggling to figure to answer that question, what do I want? That's exactly where we start, because a lot of times it's more clear to us what we don't and whether it's something that's happening in our current situation or our past like, and that's a great starting point because then we can flip it, you know. So for me, when I went on my own, to be kind of doing this work independently, there's so many things I love about it, and I love the flexibility and the, the variety and some of the energy that comes with that, but one of the things I desperately miss is being part. Part of a team. And so, you know, so a couple of years ago, the one of the pivots I had to make in my career is like, okay, how can I still stay independent, but plug-in with another organization where I still where I feel like I'm part of something, and so, so I share that just as like, if for anybody out there that might be in that squirrel, but not being sure what you do want, maybe that's a great starting point for a journal prompt, or just to do some reflection on Alright, and it might feel negative for a little bit, but you can very quickly see how you can flip it, and it starts to kind of illuminate that path.
Kim Meninger
Yeah, I love that you say flip it because I know it does seem sort of like a very negative way to start the process, but that is what tends to be most easily accessible to us. And then if you just kind of looking at us, okay, well, if I don't want this, what does that tell me about what to do and, and I really would love to hear more, to have any thoughts you have on a lot of times, I think we've been so superficially focused on whatever it is that we're doing now, the people tend not to even feel like I don't have the luxury of time to think about this, right? I've got a family, I've got a busy job, I've got I know I'm not happy. I know this isn't what's right for me but I have no idea how to fit this what feels sometimes like this deep introspection project into my life, and I almost feel guilty for I should feel like grateful that I have a job when other people may not. And so I wonder too, if you can talk a little bit about, how do we prioritize this, and is it really as time-consuming as it might sound?
Robin Camarote
Yeah, oh my gosh. Well, so you're like, so in my head, okay? Because, well, I'll just start with a broad thing, that one of my limiting beliefs is very much around time. And I do, I have three children and, you know, dogs and life and a job and all this stuff. So there, you know, there are real things there, but like, my whole life I've had this thing, like, I don't have enough time. I'm running out of time. I'm going to live. It's, like, constantly around time and trying to manage my time better, and, like, make better. Listen, it's always about time. So like, you're still in my head. So just yesterday, I was on the sidelines at a soccer game, and I'm chatting with this lovely woman, and she mentions this yoga place that you can It's nearby. It's like this, like, very rustic camp. You can go and do yoga and meditate and all this. And just the way, like, it just hit me, like, oh my gosh, that sounds amazing. It sounded like delicious to me, like, this idea. And so I immediately go on the app, and I'm trying to book, and then in the next three months, I couldn't find one overnight where I could go do take this time away to do this yoga thing. And I don't even do yoga, but like it just in the moment. It sounded like really delightful to me anyway. So I totally long way of saying. I totally relate to this sense of not feeling like you have enough time. And I would say it so it doesn't have to be time in big chunks, because what we what many of us, do have, is time in smaller chunks, or the ability to kind of recapture time, even if it's 15 minutes. And so one of the things that I do for myself, and I recommend to others, my favorite thing in the morning is if you can get up just a little bit earlier before your house starts to get up. I love a cup of coffee with my dogs and my journal, and I ask myself three questions, three reflection questions that just kind of like help set the intention up for the day. And those three questions are, am I running or resting? Or, like, basically, am I working today, or am I resting today? Am I open or am I closed? So sometimes, you know, we just, sometimes I'm super open to all kinds of experiences. Sometimes I've just like, really need to, kind of like, hunker down and kind of shelter a little bit. And the third one is, am I creating or am I consuming? And so I, I love to write, I like to kind of make things and do things, but a lot of times, I also like to learn things, and I'm like consuming content. So for me, there's, of course, there's no right answer, and I don't ever want the answer to be the same thing every day. But if I just answer those three things, at least I'm clear throughout the day on, kind of like, what my path is. So that's, I think, one practice we can just taking a few minutes to just get in touch with, like, what's going on in our minds, and then it just sets us up for when those little moments happen throughout the day, to just make a different choice, or even just to pause, like, part of it's just slowing down and not doing the reflexive thing that we would have normally done, and just getting ourselves a minute to be like, Wait a second. Like, do I really? Do I really want to, like, you know, do this, you know, I don't know, make this call or jump up, you know, whatever the thing is anyway? So I feel like I'm rambling, but this particular question was so energizing for me because I'm like, this is, like, this whole notion of time scarcity and how to find time is like, something that's very hot.
Kim Meninger
I am exactly the same way I am constantly worried about time and just how much of it there isn't. And I love that you talk about using smaller increments because I actually find that to be more useful anyway. I find that when you really start to take a few minutes to think about things like, how am I going to spend my day, or what were the bright spots in my day? What were some of the challenges? What do I want? What do I not want? That your brain starts to do this almost scanning process in the background, right? Like it's those questions are marinating in your brain, even though you're not realizing it, and you're starting to tune in to things that you might not have otherwise looked at before. So you don't even have to be actively doing this for extended period of time. You just have to create practices that allow you to get in touch with it. You know, maybe 10 minutes every morning, like you said something like that, and then you're going to realize you probably know more than you think you do. And to your point about the reflexiveness too. I think the pause, we cannot overstate the power of the pause. Always encourage people to think about like it doesn't have to be 10 minutes. It could be 30 seconds, to just ask yourself, Is this the best use of my time right now? Right? How do I feel about doing this? Does it bring me energy? Does it do I dread doing this, really just even giving that level of attention to something is going to raise your awareness around what you're doing, how it's working or not working for you. Right? Choices, like you said that you can make differently, small tweaks can go a long way.
Robin Camarote
Yeah, oh my gosh, that's, yeah, just beautifully said. I totally agree. And it's just like, you know, my guess is that for people listening right now, you're probably multitasking. This is certainly how I like to consume, you know, podcast content as well. So if you're out there walking, or maybe you're riding in your car, or do some, you know, something else, I love that exactly what you just said is like taking that even just 30 Seconds to just ask yourself that question, like, you can even just do a body scan, like, if you really, like, don't want to kind of get into your head and intellectually, just check in with your body and be like, how do I feel about this? One thing that you know, many of us have the experience of being on, like, kind of back to back teams calls all day, or, you know, just kind of caught up in the the swirl of things that happen at work. And even, like, one thing that will be incredibly eye-opening is just before each conversation to do that 10-second check-in just with your body. Like, how do I feel about this meeting? And it'll let it's a clue to where, you know, where am I in conversations that feel energizing and I feel like I'm contributing and I feel really positive. And where are those dreading because they feel heavy or miserable or like whatever. And that also can be useful data for when you start to kind of ask yourselves as questions about kind of like, what do you want next?
Kim Meninger
Yes, I love that you describe it as data. I think about that too. It's just you're, you're collecting the data on how you're experiencing your work and your everyday environment, right? And I, I also like to add that if things aren't feeling great right now, it's not, I wouldn't encourage people to immediately run to the nearest exit, right? I think it's just, it's important to get that awareness. But then there may be things that you can do differently within your existing role, or maybe you can be putting together a longer-term plan for where you want to go next and then using the time that you're in your existing role to fill in any potential gaps that might exist. Like, I don't want people to panic and feel like, Oh no, I have. I'm realizing that I'm spending, you know, a lot of time in this negative energy space. That doesn't mean that you have to, you know, immediately leave. It's just good information to have to then start to think more intentionally about your longer-term plan too.
Robin Camarote
Yeah, yeah, no, I totally agree. Yeah, there the only one time in my career did I make a rush decision to leave a job, and it was in this extreme moment of frustration and, and if I'm being honest, anger and sadness, and I just, I only gave myself about 24 hours to think about it, and then I quit. And while I Well, ultimately, that was the right decision for me to kind of get out of that particular role. I do wish I had done it differently because there was damage to the relationships that never you know. I you know since I think we've tried to do some repair there. But you know what? I think one thing I've realized, like. Came back in my career is that the relationships that I have professionally are some of the most cherished things that I have, like this. I just find this so fulfilling, and so to damage one in a way that really wasn't necessary is something that I wouldn't do again. And I think when we do, you know, but I understand when people, when you're in that situation where you're just feeling just really at the end of your rope and so frustrated, it can be tempting to kind of make that jump, and it just in my personal experience, it's one that I wish I'd just taken a little bit more time with.
Kim Meninger
Yeah, I think that's a good point. I mean, sometimes we do experience really intense emotions. It's part of being human, and there is that feeling of, I just have to have to leave, I have to take care of myself. In rare cases, that may actually be true, you know, like a really, almost toxic abusive situation, right? If you're feeling like your physical or mental health is being challenged in really intense ways. Like, there may be times when that is necessary, but I think more often than not, it is important to just sort of let the moment pass a little bit right, and then really start to think about, okay, what do I really what do I want to do with intentionality? How is this going to affect me in the short term? In the long term, the relationships, as you mentioned, are important. What am I going to be proud of when I look back on this moment? Some of those bigger values-based questions that we might skip over if we're making an emotional decision.
Robin Camarote
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So.
Kim Meninger
Well, good. So I was going to ask you, too, if there are you know, you mentioned the tips around some of the questions to ask ourselves, some of the ways of checking in with ourselves. Is there anything else that you recommend busy people who are maybe just starting to see themselves in this conversation, and think, I'm not sure I'm ready yet, but I want to be more proactive that [yeah], they do?
Robin Camarote
Yeah. Um, so one of the things that I find it, you know, helpful because, because vast majority of people that I work with are asking themselves this question about, like, you know, is this, is, it is, this is, and kind of like what's next is that, I think it's sometimes hard to think our way to clarity around that, and instead, what we can do is basically set up like either little data gathering experiments or some kind of like experiences that help Get us more information about what that thing might be. And so the faster that we kind of get out of our heads and kind of into some kind of action. And it could be tiny. It could be things like, you know, setting up informational interviews, or, you know, or, or, you know, maybe sitting in on, like, you know, some kind of like webinar or something for a different industry, or like, there can be all these different kinds of things that we kinds of things that we can do just to start getting ourselves in motion. Because I think sometimes, if we're sitting waiting for this bolt of clarity in my experience, that really just happens, and instead, the more we're kind of, like out there experiencing things and really tuned in to kind of how we're feeling about like, how it sits with us, and how we're feeling about it would like, the more likely whatever that next fulfilling, meaningful thing is, is going to emerge.
Kim Meninger
I think that's a such an important point too, because when we're just in our heads, that's also where fear tends to take over, and we start to second guess ourselves, or we start to come up with excuses. And I always say right confidence follows action. It's not the other way around. When you're thinking about making a big change, especially in the middle of a busy life, there could be, you know, all kinds of fears and worries about what might happen and, and reasons why this isn't the right time, and you know why we justify staying in the wrong situation, but those action steps that you're talking about give you a chance to actually experience something different, and then the confidence follows on the other side of that. So I think anything that we can do to like you said, get out of our heads. Is a really important part of the process.
Robin Camarote
Yeah, yeah. And I love that. I mean, I love that point. I think so often we're waiting. And this is this makes sense, right? Because when we feel confident, it feels amazing. And so there's, everybody listening right now has something that they feel Ultra confident about like and when you tap into that, it's delightful. Of course, we all would love to be there, but the reality is exactly what you just said, is that when we're waiting to feel confident to take our next step, you know, especially if it's something that's going to push us to grow a little bit, we're going to be waiting for a long time, if, and maybe forever, because that confidence comes from taking. Action, getting the experience, and then looking back and saying, like, oh my gosh, look what I did. It like, that's amazing. I also feel like clarity comes from action. I also, you know, and this impact that so many of us want comes from taking some kind of action. So I, you know, like we're talking about before. I think there's tremendous value in kind of doing the reflection and journaling and taking those kind of big looks at like, what we like, where we are in our life and where we want to go, and, and being our own self-monitor for when, when that's kind of enough, and when it's really time to, like, get in motion. And if you find yourself for, you know, weeks on end, kind of circling around the same question, or you find yourself ruminating and regret, like, that's a really good signal to say, Okay, enough. What can I do to get myself in motion so that then I know, like knowing that that confidence, that clarity and that impact is going to come next?
Kim Meninger
Yeah, you're right. I think that is important. And you're also making me think about the fact that we tend to get all in our heads about the unknown, for obvious reasons. That's part of just being human is there's that the devil you know mentality, right? But I also think what's important to evaluate as part of the introspection process too, is like, not just what are the risks of making this change and, and, you know, moving in these new directions. But also, what is the risk of staying where I am right now? What am I lose if I, you know, wake up a year from now and I'm still in the same situation that I'm in now? Right to just kind of balance the scales a bit because we are super loss-avoidant, we get very comfortable in our comfort zones, even if they're miserable places, right? So to also put it in perspective, that not making that decision, not making a change, is a choice too. That isn't neutral. It has consequences as well.
Robin Camarote
Yeah, I, you know, and as you're talking, I very distinctly remember there was a year a couple of years ago now where, you know, I love sitting gold, and I, you know, you know, refresh kind of like, maybe on regular cycles, like, I think most people do, like the beginning of the year, maybe the beginning of the month, week, like, whatever So, but it was like around first of the year, and I went back to kind of refresh my goals for the year. And Kim, I tell you, like I looked at them and I was like, all I needed to do was change the date on the file. Like, none of them were done. Like, but a whole year had passed. I had been working tons, but like, nothing had moved forward, like, in a meaningful way. And it was, it was like, just, it was really a terrible feeling. I'm working with somebody right now who's who feels like they've been kind of in the cycle of trying to figure out their next thing for a couple of years down and going back to our sense of time. Like, for those of us that feel like, you know, not that time is running out, but we you can kind of, like, start to see, like, I don't want to be doing this forever, that can be a really, really, a negative feeling. And so to your point, about like, having a really good handle on, kind of, like, what is the risk of not taking action? And I think for many of us, it's that unrealized potential. You know, it's this, this, this deep knowing that we're here to do something that is meaningful as we define it, not defined by anybody else, and until and, and so being on that path to kind of do that work is so important.
Kim Meninger
Yeah, you're right. And, and I think too, when you talk about the pressure of time and the and the ways to that, we also blame ourselves and we feel guilty and we feel ashamed that we're not doing more. I think it's also important to recognize if, if you have been putting this off, don't kick yourself for it either. Right? Our brains do things for a purpose. They may not always make sense, and that may not always serve us, but maybe you just weren't ready before trust that you were making the decisions that were right for you at the time, right? If you got busy and sidetracked, like when you talk about not completing your goals, it's not because you were standing still, it's because you were doing a lot of other things at the time, right? And that's important for people to remind themselves of, too. Is like you're operating in a very complex environment with lots of inputs coming at you, and sometimes we get to the end of the day and we feel like I didn't do anything I set out to accomplish. Well, you did a lot of other things instead. So to just be kind to yourself too, and recognize, like, if, you're feeling like I should have done this sooner, it's never too late, and now is better than tomorrow. Start where you are.
Robin Camarote
Yeah, I totally agree. And it feels to me like kind of circling back to something that we said we talked about the beginning conversation, like that, kind of, you know, beating yourself up. Up in that kind of regret. It's just not useful and, and, you know, I feel like, if it was useful, I'd be like a cheerleader for it, but it's just not like I've tried it myself. It does not work, you know. But I also think, you know, some of the sometimes I, I find myself, you know, thinking about, like, Alright, when there's some goals that I might have set earlier in my life, that it might still be out there at some point. And when is it okay to call like, say, You know what? Like, I thought I wanted that at some point, but I just don't like and, and not to define that as, like, quitting or giving up, but saying like, my situation has changed. My perspective has changed on things, like something I thought I was going for. It's just no longer important to me. And it's that's totally okay. [Yeah.] It's okay to call it like and just wipe something off your, you know, off your slate that's hasn't been done, but now is just not important to you. Just like doing it for the sake of doing it, I think doesn't serve you either. So also letting go of things that, that are just no, no longer of interest.
Kim Meninger
I think that's a really good point, too, and, and it's helpful to check in with yourself, of like, what it Why am I not doing this? Am I not doing it because I'm afraid, or am I not doing it because it just doesn't motivate me anymore? In which case, like he said, it's probably a values misalignment. You've changed. Your circumstances have changed. Just because we set a goal, you know, six months ago or a year ago doesn't mean that we still are committed to that goal. And that's why it's helpful to do these kind of check-ins with yourself on a regular basis, so that you're kind of in a more steady, you're more steadily in tune with yourself.
Robin Camarote
Yeah, no , I. Yeah. I mean, and I think you just said it, I mean, like that to me, is where I want to find myself, is like steadily in tune, you know, because that's, you know, and what, in whichever way we were, you know, can you do those check-ins? I mean, I think that is where you find your power is when you are steadily in tune with how you're feeling about things, how you're thinking about them, you're just that more like, just stronger and more able to kind of make an intentional decision, because you're exactly right there. We all have like, zillions of opportunities every day. Most of them, we just kind of like, go on default, because that's, understandably, that's just kind of how we need to get through the day. But when we are we are in tune, then I think you can make those choices at increments and just end up in a place that you're really happy with and feel, you know, more fulfilled.
Kim Meninger
Yeah. I mean, I think that's a really sort of inspirational way to wrap up, too. It's just, it's all about, you know, just feeling more fulfilled and feeling like you're the, a better version of yourself, right? It's not designed to make you feel like you're not doing enough, or, you know, it's like it's more so intended to liberate you from some of the things that may not be working than it is to add another layer of pressure of like, Oh, now you've got to also be doing this, this and this on top of everything else that you're doing.
Robin Camarote
Yeah, yeah. I know absolutely defined by you. And I mean, that's really ultimately all that matters is by your own yardstick. Like, you know, how are you doing?
Kim Meninger
Exactly, exactly. This has been fantastic, Robin. Thank you so much. I feel like this has been very insightful and also actionable, and I'm sure it resonates with a lot of people, especially right now, where there's just so much change going on, and it's so helpful to just take stock and reflect a little bit more so thank you for being here and thank you for the work that you're doing.
Robin Camarote
Oh my gosh, well, no, thank you for the work you're doing. I just been, really enjoyed the conversation, and I feel like we have a lot of very, very similar ideas about things.
Kim Meninger
I agree.
