What’s the Cost of Not Pivoting?
- Kim Meninger
- 11 minutes ago
- 26 min read
In this episode of The Impostor Syndrome Files, we talk about the uncertainty that comes with career pivots and why change often triggers so much self-doubt. My guest this week is Juliana Pereira, community builder and co-author of Pivot Quest.
Drawing from her own eight career pivots, Juliana challenges the belief that successful people have everything figured out. We explore how curiosity, self-trust and a willingness to become a beginner can help us navigate change more confidently.
We also discuss how to recognize when it may be time for a change, what our energy can teach us about what we want next and why it’s important to consider the cost of not pivoting.
About My Guest
Juliana Naranjo Pereira is a Future of Work Humanist, community builder, and eight-time career pivoter who has spent her life navigating change across cultures, countries, and industries.
Born and raised in New York to a Colombian mother and Portuguese father, she learned early that identity is rarely fixed and belonging is something we create. Her journey has taken her from advertising at BBDO and product design to luxury fashion PR for brands including Gucci, Burberry, and Tiffany & Co.; from developing world-class retail experiences to founding and successfully exiting a wellness venture; from building traditions and community for more than 10,000 students from over 160 nationalities at IE University to serving as Global CMO of an international technology consultancy.
Through her work building communities and leadership ecosystems around the world, she has helped thousands of people navigate growth, belonging, and transformation.
A TEDx speaker, contributor to Harvard Business Review Deusto, and member of the Board of Trustees of UNICEF Spain, Juliana believes that life's most meaningful transformations begin not when we become someone new, but when we uncover who we have been all along.
She believes that a pivot is not reinvention—it is revelation.
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Transcript
Kim Meninger
Welcome, Juliana. I'm really excited for our conversation today, and I would love to kick us off by inviting you to tell us a little bit about yourself.
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Well, thank you so much, Kim, for having me. I always say you need to know where you're from to know where you're going, and so I am a third culture kid. My, my mom is Colombian. My dad's Portuguese. They met in New York, and so I was born and raised in New York. And I studied in Boston, and then I headed over to New York to start sort of you know what, what we do, right? Like the, the career ladder, and, and then after I would say about almost 12 years in New York, I worked in advertising and PR. I definitely just got burned out because I was flying with a creative team. Going to it was much more economical flying, you know, a team to Argentina for two days to be in a warehouse and shoot a commercial and come back than actually shooting in New York City. And so I, at a very early age at 26, I, I was just completely burnt out and said okay because of my background and because I knew of a different sort of lifestyle in Europe I said okay well why not move abroad and, and so that's where sort of my career pivoting started and began, and I went from anywhere to from fashion PR to then working in marketing to then working having being an entrepreneur, having my own company, selling it, exiting it, and then from there going into higher education, which I never thought I you know I would do that to create a campus life department for, for a business school and 10,000 students of over 160 nationalities, and then from there, global CMO of a tech consultancy, and to where I am today, which is I'm a community builder. I go into companies and I help companies B 2b create spaces for thought leadership and better spaces to gather and be in community, and all of this brought me to co-author a book with my other co-author, which is Luis, around which is called Pivot Quest around career pivoting, and so that's kind of like in you know I always say I'm like a cat with like eight lives.
Kim Meninger
Well, my goodness, if anyone is, you know, anyone is authorized to write a book about pivoting, it certainly sounds like you. You've, you've done a lot of pivoting, and I'd love to, to zoom in a little bit into how you were feeling during those pivots, because we know that times of change are often times of great anxiety and self-doubt, a lot of breeding ground for imposter syndrome. How, how do you remember those times and whether they were you know challenging for you? Did you, did you struggle at all with making those shifts?
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Yes, I definitely struggled. I think along the way, I I thought to myself like someone's going to figure out that I don't know what I'm doing many times, and, and then I just I learned something, which is that everyone was kind of learning, and everyone no one knew it 100% and that even those people, because I don't. There's this false idea that successful people have it all figured out, and, and I think when you really surround yourself by people that you admire and that you find, you know, that, that in your eyes are successful, everyone struggles, and, and not so many people are brave enough to say it, right? And not so many people actually. I've, I've had really amazing bosses, and I've had other bosses that were not so amazing. But from the ones I definitely learned were the ones who were like, "Listen, guys, I don't know what I'm doing, but you know, we're gonna row and we're gonna do this together, and we're gonna figure it out together, and so through all of these pivots, where what I think is that the imposter syndrome for me is sort of like the gap between what we've already earned, right, and what we're you know what we're willing to believe you know about ourselves, and I've been in that in between many, many times, because as you can imagine, with eight career pivots, it forced me to become a beginner again and again and again so.
Kim Meninger
Yeah, that's such a great way to describe it because there, there is a way in which I joke that managing imposter syndrome is about revealing the absurdity of our thinking and the expectations that we put on ourselves, right? And so, when we're growing up and we're you know navigating our way through school and early career, there's a way in which we expect to learn. We don't go into fifth grade thinking I should already know everything that I’m about to learn. That's not the way that we learn, but we reach a point in our careers where that changes, and all of a sudden, it becomes a an expectation of pre mastery, or that you know I'm, I'm going to somehow be able to perfectly do whatever it is that I'm about to do, and so we, we really owe it to ourselves to go back to those roots of learning and say, hey, you know what? Everything that I do well today was once new. Everything that I, you know, I do well was once potentially scary and challenging, but I got here, and I and that should give us evidence that we're capable of doing that next time around.
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Yeah, I think it has to do. A part of it has to do with what type of personality you have, right? So, like, I'm very, you know, I'm a perfectionist. I'm type A. I'm, you know, so I think we suffer a lot more if you are that type of personality, and then there's another part which is like it's drilled into you. Like I, and it's one of the best pieces of advice that I had very young with one of my bosses. But at the same time, it, it also you know kind of like sets a framework and a mindset for you, which is that you have to demonstrate and show that you can already do the next level of your job, so that's kind of where the expectations begin, and that's where we start. You know, I, I think just forcing ourselves to not have that belief as a child, which is kind of like going at it with a curiosity, with a you know a love of learning with a you know a smile on your face and kind of going with the opposite of like this anxiousness and this tightness in your chest of you know am I going to be able to do this and do I know you know maybe I know 70% but I don't know all of it and I think that that's built around corporate you know, environment, and just you know, when you go and you have your annual reviews or what the expectations are placed there. So I definitely was not the ideal candidate for most of the jobs that I had. I remember my first job at BBDO. I worked on it was Duracell and then Gillette Mach Three Razor, and it was very male-dominated. And I remember coming out of college and being in a room, and you know, being interviewed, you know, like having it was me and lots of other you know guys in the room, and you know, just thinking like, there's no way I'm going to get this job. And in the end, it was because you know, and then I want I step into a room which was like another seven, you know, men who were you know interviewing me, and, and, and at the end it was because of you know because I brought something different, right? That I ended up getting that job, and so and then and then that was I and I believe that early on in my career I had these like aha moments of I remember being in the middle of nowhere, you know, like a little village in the U.S. I don't even know if it was like little village in Oklahoma or something, and on a focus group for these batteries, and it was they were batteries for hearing aids, and, and I remember sitting there and seeing right these elderly people with the hearing aids and having all this difficulty like putting them in, and, and months later when I'm sitting in a boardroom with all of these you know men with senior positions etcetera, and they're all talking about what's going to work and what's not going to work, none of them were like female sitting in that room in Oklahoma, listening to like these elderly people and seeing that most of them had hands that shook, that had really that have bad eyesight, that had and so like the little sticks that now you know Duracell puts on the on the batteries comes from that, and that is it could be male and female, and it could be because of the way that you approach, you know, the world and life. So all of us bring something different and have different opportunities to, to sort of prove to ourselves that we're constantly learning, right, and that we have something to add.
Kim Meninger
I love that so much because I think it's our natural tendency. I've certainly done this, and I've seen this with a lot of other people that I've coached over the years. Is we look around at our peer group, whatever that is, and we think I need to be more like them. I don't have enough of what they have. Instead of looking at what we uniquely do have to bring, as you're saying, and so the, the perspective gets distorted because all of our attention goes to the, the gap between us. Yeah, as opposed to what does this group need?
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Yeah.
Kim Meninger
What do they need? What are they missing right now?
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Yeah, and that's also that's also something that I you know interviewing over 100 pivoters in 25 different countries and people from all over and regardless of what culture, what age, everything. It's kind of like the way that you start looking at it. Like, do you, you know curiosity? I always said is the antidote to self-doubt, right? And so when you're coming at something and you're like asking yourself, okay, what can I learn from that versus you know the not enough, right? Like or what I'm missing, it's a much more like generous question, right? And, and what I would say is that once you stop trying to prove to yourself, right, and to everyone around you, but you start trying to sort of focus, like and, and have that shift beyond how am I being perceived versus how can I help? When you start thinking about how can I help, then that pressure sort of disappears, and, and that's what I've seen in lots of these career pivoters is that nothing comes easy, and you it. But it's a lot starts from you and from within, and a lot of times people think like, oh, I I don't want this job, or because of AI, I just lost my job. I have a forced pivot, or I have a, or I see the tsunami coming, and so I want to get ahead of the curve. Whatever your situation is, the first thing that I've seen in over 100 of these people is the part of it's the self-discovery, right? It's the start with yourself, start with giving yourself permission, right? And so, if you allow to take your that label off of yourself, and you know, dream bigger, think bigger, what things give you energy? That's another, you know, another thing that we, we go so fast at a rhythm so fast, and, and a lots of us have lots of labels. We're not just an employee, or like we're you know, or a president, or an owner of a company. We're a mom. We're a dad. We're a daughter. We're a son. We're a you know, and, and there's a lot of pressure and, and a lot of noise. And so if we don't allow ourselves to stop and actually say, okay, how do I first give myself, you know, grace and permission? Because I've heard from a lot of people, especially people who maybe they're the first generation to go to college, you know, even or have that sort of education of saying, you know, my family doesn't understand me. Like my mother and my father think I should be grateful for what I have, but I-it's not that I'm not grateful, but I just feel like there's so much more I can add, you know, in life or to something else. And so, just that, just having that awareness, right, is a moment that you stop and that you give yourself permission to, to and allow yourself to dream something else, but that all that imposter syndrome and that trying to analyze and trying to constantly you know put you know all these you know you it's like more questions, questions right like and that we put on top of ourselves and doubts that we put on top of ourselves and then as you said, everyone who's around us, and you know what we're comparing ourselves to, when we shouldn't be comparing ourselves to anyone, because there's no one that is the same as we are.
Kim Meninger
Yes. Oh my gosh, there's so much gold in everything that you just said. I want to go back to what you said earlier because this aligns so much with how I think about things too. Is if we are asking ourselves the question, "How do I prove that I belong in this room?” We will never feel like we've measured up. But if we ask, "How can I be of greatest service? How can I help?” It orients our attention in a whole new direction because now it's externally focused on the people I'm trying to help, not my own inner critic, and I think there's a way in which it naturally draws us towards our strengths because then we become more creative, more you know problem-solving. There's this way in which we, we, we bring all of the strengths that we have to try to address the, the issue that we're trying to help with, and so it's a way I think of like almost like hacking your brain.
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Yeah, yeah, it is. It is. It is.
Kim Meninger
And I and so I think that's such a powerful way to think about it because then all of the all of the unique strengths that we have kind of bubble up to the surface as we're thinking about how can I be of service as opposed to how can I compare myself to this guy over here?
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Yeah, no, absolutely, and I think I stopped trying to earn permission, you know, from everyone else and every. Meaningful pivot in my life began the moment I gave myself that first step of permission. And when you give yourself that permission, you are also giving yourself the grace and the understanding that I'm beginning again. Right? This is like the first time you take a baby step, the first time you learn the ABCs, the first time you, you know like you're gonna walk into like middle school the first time you know and you go back and, and all of the and, and you you're kind of like in the mind frame. What I've learned with every pivot is that I go back and I'm like, huh, if I did that, I can do this, and then the next if I did that I can do this, and, and that's why they say that falling forward is very important because it gives, and why you know, especially for like children, right? You know, giving them moments where they can feel like that confidence is because they go back. You know, we all go back and look at what did we? Oh, when we had to first stand in front of the assembly and like you know give a speech or whatever, or when we were in our first theater show, or when we are not, all of those are these like little bricks that continue to build ourselves like as human beings. But you have to have those opportunities, and sometimes it was your parents who gave that to you, or your school, or your teacher. And as we get older, we somehow allowed you know HR or our bosses or whatever we gave we allowed that you know when we gave that over to them, and I think more and more, and especially now with the future of work in the age of AI, what we're seeing is that no, you have to be accountable for yourself and for your career because it's not going to be a career anymore. It's going to be jobs, right? And then you're going to finish that job, and you're going to go to the next one. And so, hence, you gained skill set, and then you'll gain the next skill set. But you're going to be account accountable to express, explain, pitch yourself to get your next job, right? Through being able to explain those transferable skills, and, and I've seen it time and time again. Where, for example, like one of the pivoters that was actually this person was in the Netherlands. He was, you know, sort of like in the law sector, many years, like 25 years, and he wanted to pivot, but he thought like, and he really liked coaching. You know, he was thinking of doing something like as an executive coach, and he's like, but there's 1000s of. So he like looked in the Netherlands. It was like 30,000 or whatever coaches. Out of those, he like narrowed it down to how many had like X certificates. You know, and out of those, you know, to try and see how he could make himself, you know, unique within so many coaches, and what was funny was just like the last thing that I expected was that even me not like I'm coming at it as somebody new, a coach, but just from having my background in the legal sector, people trusted me, right? So it's just like I never thought that it would just be you know like I didn't connect those two. So sometimes we have those skills, or we have those, you know, kind of like benefits that we don't even we don't we don't even realize it, and, and that's going to be very much the future. It's like not just getting you know beyond ourselves and our limitations that we put you know our limiting beliefs, but it's going to be really, really a better understanding when people are afraid of AI. I always say embrace it because it's going to make us be more human and be more in touch with ourselves. We've been so disconnected from ourselves that we've just we've stepped away from what is uniquely what makes us human, and this is going to bring us closer to that.
Kim Meninger
I agree with you completely. And as you're talking, I'm thinking about what you were saying earlier around everybody's learning and nobody has it all figured out. And I think the rise of AI is really shining a bright light on that because it's sort of an unprecedented or at least a transformational change to our world at this point in history, and so there are a lot of unanswered questions, and there will continue to be a lot of questions. And I think that one of the things that Type A perfectionists, high achievers, the people who are most prone to imposter syndrome, tend to believe is that there's one right way to do things, and we need to figure out what that is. And we are in a world where we could go in lots of different directions. And just with the example that you just gave of the guy who didn't realize that his background was going to be an advantage to him, you know, it sounds like there was a way in which he was trying to figure out the formula or like the, the secret recipe for how to do this, as opposed to looking at what you know. What's my way of doing it? [Yeah.] And that, that, that could be just as valid, if not more, because of his unique background. And, and, and I think a lot about how can we get rid of that belief that I have. To do it the right way, [yeah,] and really think about how we can do it our way.
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Yeah. I think it starts like I, I think really it starts when we're young, and this goes back to I think education is changing at least shifting a bit. My son is going to be 12, and what I really have seen from when I went to school and when he was going to school is, for example, I I I sat in one of his math classes one time, and I was just like dumbfound because they give them the tools, but then they're like, okay, go figure it out. Like it's not like this is. It wasn't how I had a teacher a chalkboard, and it's like this is the way you add this plus this, or you multiply in this way. It was kind of like they gave them jelly beans, and they gave them marbles, and they gave them you know whatever, and they're like go you know go figure it out, and every kid came back with like three maybe three different four different ways. Obviously, there's one answer, but there's different ways of getting to that answer, and I think that that shift, you know, or that learning starts, you know, when you're young because it's again, it's saying it's okay. Not everyone is going to figure it out the same way, and we were not taught that way. So now it's about, and again, like the another person I interviewed, 82 year old woman with 16 pivots, right? And she's still like pivoting. This incredible woman, and she said to me, you know, my dad told me that if I learned how to type literally on a typewriter, I would always have a job. And she's just like, obviously, that's obsolete now. But really, what my dad was telling me, and how I've taken it the rest of my life, is if I learn right, like that love of learning something, you know, in that moment it was the typewriter, right? Then I will always, you know, be useful for other people and for myself. And this woman went from like a ranch cook to then you know having her own biological food store to teaching at Harvard to working in the Deloitte L and D department. Incredible, incredible story, and, and it all is because of her common thread that we always say there is a common thread. Even people have had 16 different pivots, and me that I've had you know eight different pivots. There's always a common thread, and that common thread for her it was learning. For me, it's always been like community bridges, communication. So even if we've had radically, like I mean, from tech consultancy to fashion, right? Like there's not, not you know more radical difference than that. I, I clearly see what my thread is, but I, I, I believe that the you know I believe a big deal, a big part of it has to do with education and how we educate our, our children, and I'm happy to see that that's sort of shifting, and that there's not just the way of doing it and one way of doing it, and, and I think for older generations we need to just, you know, we need to be more accountable for, for ourselves and, and for what you know the future of work means today, for us.
Kim Meninger
Yeah, I love that. I have a I have an 11-year-old as well, and I'm often blown away by the difference and how they learn. I'm so grateful that, that seems to be more flexible in terms of what they're being encouraged to do, and hopefully, they will struggle less with some of the perfectionism that we do. I want to ask you a question about the pivoting? Because I think that what you said about the common thread is really helpful. On there's sort of a double-edged nature to either way that we just we talk about. If something is very linear and there's one right way to do it, in some sense it makes it easier because we can see the path. We follow, follow the directions, right? The alternative is obviously more flexible, more liberating. But I think it also creates overwhelm for people who are used to following a structure. Like academic structures are very predictable. They, you know, even though we can stress out in them, they're very comfortable because we kind of know what's expected of us. Can you talk a little bit about for people who are who are listening to this and they, they, they want to, to do some more self-discovery and think about their own common threads? Are there certain initial steps you would encourage them to take?
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Yeah, we, we actually with the book we also have a downloadable like workbook that'll come with it, and so and that's a really like practical guide for people who want like small exercises. Like it's a it could be a three minutes to like 10 minute exercise like daily. But I would say that a lot of people come to me and they're and, and they say you know everyone talks about like purpose and your passion and like these are such big words right. I always say focus on like your energy. What gives you energy? And I remember a few years back I, I went to a career redesign coach because also like I have so many different pivots that at some point you, you know, also get lost, and you say, okay, well, yes, I know this is my common thread, but what's my next? You know, like I hear often, like, okay, and so what do I do next? Really, when somebody's saying, what do I do next? What they're really asking is, who am I now, right? And everyone can you know schools and whatnot prepare you for your first job? How to do that CV? How to do the interview? They don't prepare you for your fourth pivot, and that's where things are shifting. And so what I would say is that people who are struggling-I was struggling at one point-and I and I see it a lot when people are like, well, I don't know, I don't really know what to do next. Like, it isn't obvious, right? Because as you said, maybe there's worlds like academia, or maybe if you're in government, or maybe if you, you know that you know what your next step is. But life is proving to show that not necessarily, right? Because then something can happen, and you know, funding gets cut or whatever, and then you have a whole different scenario. So I think the first thing is to be honest with yourself and to ask what things give you energy. And when I was asked that question, I, I, my Type A personality, I was like, "What do you mean, like dancing or listening to music? And my, you know, my coach back then was just like, I don't know what gives Juliana, you know, energy, and I just started crying because I really couldn't answer the simple question, and, and I found in that moment, you know, this kind of like shining light, you know, from outside of like, wow, I was really disconnected with myself, and I was just kind of going with the flow. And, and when you go with the flow, sometimes that's great when opportunities come, and you're you know you just keep going and you keep saying yes because a lot of us tend to not say no to things, and so you just say yes. But that also comes with another you know side of the coin, which is that you never stop to really ask yourself what you know you want to do, and so when one of the exercises which I did, and so I can testify that I think it really works, is that I took my notes app right, like in my phone, or you can jot it down on a sheet of paper, and my coach made me track for one week things that give me energy, and so I remember saying to her, "But I don't know what that means. And she's just like, "Your body will signal that you feel different, right? And I was like, "Okay, whatever. You know, what does that mean? And, and I remember that I took the metro. I was like going to work, and I looked at the person next to me, and she had like these really cool like purple boot type thing. And I talked to everyone because I'm just extrovert, and, and I said, oh, I really like your boots, you know, whatever. We ended up having another conversation, and then she told me about this cool coffee, new coffee spot, which, which was the stop I was getting off at, whatever. Finish the conversation, and I got out of the metro, and I was like, "Huh, okay, this made me feel good. Like I don't know, it just made me feel good. So I jotted it down, and I kept doing that for seven days. And by the seventh day, I could kind of track a pattern, and so I could track that. For me, it was important to talk to strangers and people, right? For me, it was important, you know, like the same place that I would pass by every day before getting to my house. It was like a little park, and there were like benches and whatever. And I had never like stopped ever to sit on a bench, right? And so one day when I was passing through, like on the fifth day or something, I was just like, you know what? I'm just gonna sit here for a second. And I sat and I like smelled these flowers, which in in Spain it's like um it's a, it's called asahar. It's like a certain flower that blooms at a certain moment. I had never smelt that flower in like years. Like I'd been living you know there, and so just these small doses that a you know say you're alive, you're a human being, right? There's more things to work, but there are things that like nurture you, no, and that that energy and people are like, well, how does a flower or how does you know? And I was just like, well, a talking to strange. I'm a community builder, right? So like that is important to me. Spaces. A lot of people don't think about spaces. For me, having worked on a campus, right, of a university versus working on the 60th floor of a tower versus working at my desk in my home, right? They're very different environments, and some of them can bring you more energy, some of them can bring you less, or maybe you're not even aware of it. So I think there is a part of this like energy sort of testing that that is. Could be useful for a lot of people, and then like throughout the book, we have a lot of different exercises like that that just try and bring you closer to being able to define what your transferable skills are because you can't just take your CV and be like, oh yeah, this is a lots of people are like, oh, I'm a director of whatever, or I work in marketing, or I work in, but they can't translate that to you know I connect really well with, with people. Like they say, sales versus like how they connect with people. How if they're a good team leader, if they you know have great communication skill because they can they don't mind getting up and talking to whoever. So there's a lot of these transferable skills that also you can see sort of in what are the things that give you energy because we don't think that way. We think about the hard stuff, like, but you don't think about what, what, what things are easy for you.
Kim Meninger
Yes. Oh my gosh, I love that so much, and I also think about the, the learning that comes with recognizing that maybe where you are today isn't bringing you the kind of energy that you want it to, because I think that a lot of times we confuse self-doubt. Like maybe we, we're, we're, we're, we're taking personal responsibility for how we feel instead of recognizing that it's a mismatch in the environment, right? And so, if I'm not getting to use the skills that bring me energy, if I'm not getting to do the things that me feel like I'm at my best in this particular job, of course I'm going to doubt myself. Of course, I'm not going to have positive feelings about how. And, and so really doing that work that you're describing is such a powerful way to get a baseline, [yeah,] of where you are.
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Because a lot of times we always hear like, "Oh, work is important because we spend X number of hours there. I think work is one of the deepest expressions of being human, right? Because it's work is where we contribute. If you don't feel like you're contributing and you're serving, then the basic what humans need are you know to give and to receive. So if you don't feel like that contribution is there, if you don't feel like you're being valued, if you don't feel that your that your values are aligned with where you are, if you don't feel that your energy is as at the highest it can be because of the environment you're in, you know, then it may seem like something small, but it adds up.
Kim Meninger
Yes, you're absolutely right, and yeah, it doesn't mean that you're doing anything wrong. It just means that there may be a better place for you somewhere.
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Exactly. Exactly.
Kim Meninger
Yeah. Oh my gosh, Juliana, this has been such a fantastic conversation, and I'm really excited for your book because I think that's going to just naturally extend the conversation that we're having here. For people who are listening and they want to learn more about you and find the book, where can they find you?
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Perfect. Well, we have a website, so it's Pivot Quest is the name of the book, so Pivot dash Quest dot com, and then also you can find it on Amazon. You can find it on Barnes and Nobles. It's coming out the 25th of August, so very excited because we're right at the countdown, and on Instagram at House of Pivots, so that's where you know you can find all the information. And I love for people to. I've out of all the people I've interviewed, and even you know, I go to like small villages and, you know, talk to people and that have completely changed their lives. Like just two weeks ago, I was in this small village in Portugal, and I walked into this, the shop because you know my Instagram is House of Pivots and it was House of Vintage. And I walked in and it was this couple who had left Prague, you know, their whole life. Like they had three kids. The oldest one was like already going to school, and they just, just and they were like they worked at Netflix, like they had the corporate job, and they just decided to like leave and start this vintage shop in another country in this like little town, and, and it was like such a courageous, you know, move. But I said to them, you know, I then like, interviewed them and everything for, for the Instagram. It's, it's on the Instagram account. But what I found really fascinating was that the, the woman Teresa, she was like, if, if we keep putting our dreams on hold, how will we ever reach our dreams, right? And, and it's something so simple but so huge, right? And, and it's about taking that, that first step. So I, I hope that your listeners, you know, take a first step if they are thinking about and feel this kind of like imposter syndrome. Like, I don't know. I don't know if I can. I've been doing this for like I've heard it so many times. I've been do. I've invested so much. I have, you know, and, and one of the people that I interviewed, I will never forget this line that he said to me. He's just like people talk about like the cost of pivoting, right? Like the cost behind it. What about the cost of not pivoting? What about all those new communities that you missed out on? What about all those skills, the new skills that you missed out on? What about, you know, like another life that, that could have been out there for you? And so, so yeah, so I think the book will be it's a, it's inspiring stories, like really, really inspiring stories from people all over the world. But it's also a practical guide to helping people make that first step towards, you know, getting away from the imposter syndrome, discovering a bit more about themselves, and you know, taking that, which I always say, it's not a leap, right? These are tiny steps, and sometimes they're tiny experiments, but they will get you to where you want to go.
Kim Meninger
Ah, thank you so much, Juliana. That's so inspirational. I really appreciate your being here.
Juliana Naranjo Pereira
Thank you, Kim. Thanks for having me.
